Hi Lory! And a criminal to boot. The dead body discovered in the priests house just so happens to have on a maze necklace. A god who complicates things for other gods. Your basically kidnapping/torturing someone who is going to kill your daughter if they are released. The Bob Taylor detail was one I didnt include in why response. Why did Hollys husband brag/confess to him? I think if you re-watchPrisonersafter reading this, then the movie is going to feel way more obvious in what its doing and why. Texas Department of Criminal Justice | PO Box 99 | Huntsville, Texas 77342-0099 | (936) 295-6371 View the profiles of people named Holly Jones. And theres a contrast to how their trauma expresses itself. To play Holly Jones,Melissa Leowore a grey wig and a foam rubber posterior prepared by Costume DesignerRene Aprilin order to "ground" her character. Holly Jones was abducted in her neighbourhood after walking a friend home from school. Theres one thing not mentioned that I cant shrug off. This is purposefully meta, as midway through the film the motif of the maze is introduced. I would like to add to this point regarding the absence of speech in Alex and in the children recovered from their kidnappings. Keller tells Ralph he isnt allowed to leave the house, he has to be an adult stay home and make sure Grace doesnt see the news. I mean, maybe I did in terms of Keller and Jesus lol. The abusers can only shake their fist at God so long as they assume that all the parents they abduct the children from will have the same re-action to their loss as they did. None of us really wanted to do that version, but we wanted to make sure we had it in case once the film was put together it seemed like it really needed it. Keller is free to leave but Ralph remains behind. While I was watching the film in board day-light, I crotched my teddy bear with me, something I dont normally do as its that scary! Sat, 21 Jun 2003. I thought that Alex and Bob were weirder than they needed to be, and in their bizarreness, not real, and therefore, not anyone that I could mourn for, though what theyd been through was terrible. That way people without a doubt understood the point was for the album to have a happy ending one way and a tragic ending the other way. How do you know the Birchs house is Alexs old house? And now he kind of re-creates this moment. Kendricks dad had always given Top Dawg extra biscuits on the house. Buddy Holly was a singer songwriter from Lubbock Texas who died after a short 18 month career. Ephemeral, spiritual things that operate on a metaphysical level. Loki hadnt been able to keep up with Keller but thought he knew Keller was going to the old apartment building. Devoid of humor, just not especially real. I thought that Holly was the best performance, a bit melodramatic, but very creepy and a smooth transition from Auntie to Killer. How could the FBI agent wrote a book about the murderer and even have a maze picture in it if: a. no children was ever found (alive or not); b. the murderer was never found. Id need to double check that but the movie is off streaming. I like your version of Loki saving him from hell of his own making but in spite of wonderful reasoning by Loki, what would have happened had Keller not listened to Alex when he was released and then not imprisoned and tortured him until he said they are in the maze? Wouldnt keller have been caught red-handed? Unfortunately, Loki doesnt know that. She feels God is anything but gracious. His aunt also says that he just wanted to play and thats why he took the girls. Explore holly jones's 396 photos on Flickr! Alex says In the maze, and Bob simply draws it. It references Loki killing Holly as detective David Loki. 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Keeping the source of these character names in mind, if you re-watch Prisoners you definitely pick up on some thematic subtext involving religion. But theres a common association with a snake eating its own tail, also known as the Ouroboros. Thats usually associated with the idea of the endless loop. Das Drehbuch schrieb Aaron Guzikowski. As a carpenter, Keller is someone who destroys nature (trees) and uses the wood to build new things. Theyre prisoners, right? When someone goes missing the police investigators always try to establish very carefully how the missing person was dressed! People are complicated. The address where Alex parked the RV was his old house. I actually know the answer to this! Holly shoots Dover in the leg and imprisons him in a concealed pit in her yard, where he finds the police whistle belonging to his daughter. The film stars Hugh Jackman, Jake Gyllenhaal, Viola Davis, Terrence Howard, Maria Bello, Melissa Leo, and Paul Dano. It opens with a shot of a snowy forest, where a deer quietly noses around for food. I cant remember if he was listed above in the list of prisoners now but I was thinking Kellers Son Ralph is a prisoner too. Rewatched the movie while reading this and you really nailed it. Instead of tracks 1-14, listen 14-1. Hobby Im not sure about that detail. And completely forgot about the David first name. In this way, the movie itself becomes a bit of a prison, a kind of labyrinth we can lose ourselves in. Prisoners, like Inception, ends on a cliffhanger. Education: B.A. Though she is not suspected by the police, Alex is, as the girls were seen playing around his RV before the capture. I loved a lot of the explanations here, hit the nail on the head. Look Up An Inmate Jones County NC Jail. But, like the title, things arent always so simple. And might even negotiate against themself because theyre nervous. I wonder if perhaps he was strangled by a snake for a time, causing a lack of oxygen in his brain, which could also add to the severe mental damage he displays. If you consider the lessons a child would learn, being taken, taught to never speak up, an abandonment of all hope & good in the world. I just noticed something interesting. I am bothered by the fact that there were no traces at all of the two girls found in the camper van, although they have been abducted in that van! (But is also comes from the old Scandinavian meaning a ravine, gap, gorge, or a crevasse between cliffs. The French, Celtics, and Gauls all had similar versions of the word (Douvres, Dubrs, and Dubris, respectively) and all meant water as well. Crimes Compare this to other crime thrillers like Silence of the Lambs or Seven or Girl With the Dragon Tattoo. Despite her knowing all this, remembering all of this, what does she express? What if deep down he DOES want her to go to jail! She had been jailed for trying to post 10.4g of heroin back to . Within hours of her disappearance, police launch a massive search and issue an "Amber Alert," a. In that time he created a body of work that changed popular music forever and influenced almost every great rock and roll artist to follow him. Maybe the newspaper article was premature (but then why show it)? And then refuses to reveal anything to Keller, despite the constant torture, despite Kellers utter desperation and desolation. Was that really Keller or was that someone else, and was she confused because of all the drugs she used bc of Holy. But the only performance I really love is Jakes. The first kid they ever took was Alex in 1987, who was actually Barry Milland. And the girl had been drugged. They invoke Gods name. Loved the movie and this thread, and its not like me to concentrate for two hours on a film. The whole piece around the priest and Hollys husband seems a little loose to me. Yeah, I had the same sense of spirituality. Whatever segment of their brain that allowed them to not think about his disappearance their entire living day cannot ever be altered or returned. Especially on re-watches. To be fair, the idea that the clothes may have been stolen is actually never mentioned in the movie. Theres no prints. A lot of hot-headed guys losing their minds and screwing things up in this movie. Instead, it gives you a pile of puzzle pieces. How do we make sense of the bad that happens in the world? One is thematic, the other iswellfor lack of a better word, pretentious. Not sure though) and it came out before Holly and her husband started the abductions. But then midway through the movie, Keller Dover kidnaps Alex Jones and keeps Alex prisoner. We (and Keller) struggle to understand whats going through Alexs mind. Holly reveals that after their son died of cancer, she and her husband began making children disappear to wage a war with God. Themes are developed through motifs. What was up with the nervous twitch? | He says later says I just wanted to playand he never came.. Derrick Chambers, Superintendent. Ive had that happen and few times and it sticks with you. Especially with Christopher Nolan movies. As it starts to get into the idea of how properly is he executing his faith? and if so, I guess its just coincidence that Hollys husband had a maze around his neck and that they left mazes in the locked room? Hey Craig! Yeah, I like the mixture of Christian and Norse. admin on volusia county school schedule; holly jones prisoners. The pair began kidnapping children to turn the parents into 'demons' as they called it, forcing them to lose their mind and faith like they did. I have kids and if they were ever kidnapped I would pick them being killed than for them to do what Alex did. But how in the world would a jury ever find this guy guilty of anything when he saves two kids, finds/stops the biggest kidnapping ring in the country, after the police basically screwed up bad. Then brought him home and he kept waiting for Alex to come play. When we first meet Holly, she tells Loki that her husband has been gone for 5 years. Door handle: Loki checks handles a couple times. MARSHALL COUNTY, Ala. (TCD) -- A woman from Albertville was sentenced to 99 years in prison for charges of sodomy, sexual torture, and bestiality. Meaning its on the viewer to actively complete the few missing pieces of the puzzle. Or say something. I love it that youre so active in the comments and engaging with readers, it encourages me (and hopefully other readers) to revisit movies with new perspectives in mind and discuss further. So its unlikely she suddenly appeared and seized the girls. The little girls are not the same (one clings to her mother for dear life and the other is stoic)? Tormenting those families we have Holly Jones. Remember, he was over at the house one time and talks with Holly. But if the kid WAS named Alex, I think Barry/Alex is saying that when he was a kid, the Joneses lured him to their house by asking if Barry wanted to play with their son. Great Read thanks for the detailed and thorough breakdown. But on the way back they saw the van and decided to play on it since their older siblings werent there to tell them no. My question is, why didnt he just tell the detective everything right then! The question is will he put it all together and solve the puzzle? Barely talking. Chris, you have written a very good essay, and most of your explanations are sound and thoughtful. Holly's parents. One interesting thing Ive noticed is that usually the highest quality movies find a way to distill their themes or narrative in the opening shot/scene. At first, we might think it applies to the abduction of Joy and Anna. Prisoners (2013) Full Cast & Crew See agents for this cast & crew on IMDbPro Directed by Denis Villeneuve Writing Credits Aaron Guzikowski . Hey again! I am very much amazed with the way you see things about the movie and the way you tell them.Just wanted to say thank you. That line would be an in-road that provides the necessary context to understanding why the book has such a devastating impact on her. It made me wonder if he also was carrying around some past trauma. I was so impatient with all the people not talking, but it makes sense now, the priest, bound by his guilt and confession rules, Alex, most likely having been drugged from an early age on which alters your brain and personality, and God knows what else these people did to him and Bob. Loki will find Keller and Keller will be rescued by someone else and face that new realization that he could never have been a self sufficient island unto himself and his family. Which creates that idea of the loop. And now Im reading your second paragraph and youre getting right into that lol. I never caught what was said in the newspaper. Its really just Loki and Keller who keep their faith. [3] It is mentioned, in the scene discussing the FBI agents book in Taylors house, that Taylor was abducted as a child but escaped after three weeks. Alex is taken into custody, but is quickly released due to his IQ being the same as a ten year old. If that is what youre thinking, high-five! Holly Jones ( Source : wordpress ) After walking a classmate home from school, Holly Jones was kidnapped in her neighborhood. Holly could have been in the van. Glad that came through for you! As for Keller going to prison I mean we would need modern examples of this type of situation. I must say, I stumbled on to your site because of Prisoners but I really like what youre doing here as a whole! Of any filmmaker ever, hes the biggest beneficiary of audiences not caring about little infuriating logic inconsistencies. Mazes end up being a bigger deal than youd probably expect. Prisoners. hi Chris, enjoyed reading the above just one question: the FBI agents book about Finding the Invisible Man was that about another abductor who was obsessed with mazes and not the crimes committed by Holly and her husband? Holly Maria Jones (September 14, 1992 - May 12, 2003) [1] was a 10-year-old child abduction and murder victim from Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Alias I think of it as a cry for help by the way he looked at the officer behind the desk. Yo Zach! I also have a question. Its likely that since the girls probably went from the van to the hole that the scent wasnt lingering in a way the dogs would notice. Holly Debord; Van Havis. confused just by this bit. I hope this was helpful. Just some observations. I imagine its a pretty isolating position as he has lost his sister to the kidnap, his mother to the grief, and his father to his own agenda. She brings him to a hole underneath a car, forcing him in, shooting him in the leg and leaving him there. When Lokis at the priests house, he sees the mark on the floor where the refrigerator gets moved in order to access the secret door to the hidden basement. Occupation: Executive director, YWCA of Asheville. Except there was no Alex. Lokis name means: prison, to break, to end, fire, which is also an interesting connection with he movie. Absolutely brilliant analysis, I wouldnt ne surprised if it is the best lne there is. Then you will see that what Im saying is absolutely true. Otherwise, you should close this page and view another page. Or Fight Club deals with the mind and the opening credits occur while the camera travels through the main characters brain and out a poor of their forehead. Keller would definitely not have charges pressed. I think, for him, hes just been unable to escape the trauma. So the answer to the question of Did Alex actually take Anna and Joy? is yes. Good people do bad things, bad people do good thingsThe wicked knowingly and methodically try to spread their wickedness to as many as they can. This would explain why Alex was not able to drive the van. Yet he still lives with Holly. https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/733092911. The two kidnapped girls. Alex, terrified, drives away from the home. Who was the guy in the priests basement? But its also a clue from the filmmaker to treat the movie as a maze. And bipartisan lawmakers couldn't be happier. If you are 18 years or older or are comfortable with graphic material, you are free to view this page. You might think thats the end of it. But also the idea of the maze itself and of trauma, this infinite thing. Rest In Peace Holly. Who knows! Its no longer Alex being the byproduct of Holly and her husband, or being cruel just to be cruel. That says a lot about his mental state, the degree of Stockholm Syndrome hes experiencing. It was on screen so briefly, and Netflixs Pause function obliterates whatever Im trying to read, so I didnt bother. Which is, all in all, pretty fitting. Thanks. What ending do we choose? As Villeneuve says, the trees are linked with the idea of necessary violence If you look at that in the sense that trees are chopped down to build homes, there is a sense that this violence against nature is necessary to provide shelter and comfort. Prisoners never shows us the abduction or has someone explain outright what happened. Nothing more than chilling fragments. What makes Loki go there specifically? Holly preceded to do crazy Holly things. So, Loki had been investigating the house that the RV was parked in front of and he found out it was once the home of a couple whose son, Barry Coyler, went missing. So when TD robbed the place, he didnt shoot Kendricks dad. Theres a second Alex in Prisoners. Why does that trigger a flashback where she thinks he was there? Taylor remembered the snakes, and it was Hollys husband who had the obsession, so it makes sense that we dont see them again in the film at Hollys house. I am an admin of this site. To talk about Prisoners, it helps if we un-maze the story by laying out its key events in chronological order. 2 weeks? And they are linked with this idea of necessary violence.. She forces him to drink a drugged liquid, causing him to feel faint. I also like to think of the final cliffhanger not as whether or not Loki will find Keller but as whether or not Loki will decide to rescue him, only considering leaving him there as a justice for torturing Alex. Like his sister, Jones has studied Chinese as well. Why does a seasoned police officer with no unsolved cases stare at a suspect to the point of spooking him, or sit in a roadway blocking traffic until he draws attention himself? Powers / Skills He clearly remembers something about his life before the abduction, otherwise he wouldnt park at his old house. We then have Bob Taylor being obsessed with mazes and the FBI agents book detailing how the child abductor dubbed the Invisible Man had used mazes. Before you trash this post, and think Im a nut case, please view the first 5 minuets of my video. And lastly, we get flashbacks to her time with Gyllenhaal that reading the book triggers. I almost enjoyed this analysis more than the movie. Alex Jones is Paul Sandow's older brother; Crimes & Criminals; Canon-Typical Violence; Implied/Referenced Sexual Assault; Alex Is A Good Brother; Alex & Loki have an unlikely partnership . Eloquently posited Jeff, this certainly fits into the message and subsequent explanation for me. POOPER: Holly Jones (Melissa Leo) kidnapped the two little girls. The list of things that Buddy did before anyone else is long. All he would have been able to see is Holly crouching over the girl. Please direct any questions regarding the information obtained on this site to the DOC . That would explain why Alex/Barry and especially Bob Taylor were unable to put together their memories and what it meantmaybe making them feel responsible and guilty. I loved the movie and really appreciate you breaking it down like that. The whistle is red, the colour of blood, and life is in the blood (Lev. Other people feel nervous in the silence and start saying stuff just to fill it. It just points at a larger abandonment issue Alex has. Holly eventually admits to Keller she cant really abduct kids without her husband so hasnt been as active. Thank you! Hence why, upon going back to the Kellers home, Loki finds one of the socks in the bushes. Holly Jones 1992-2003 Holly was kidnapped while walking home from a friends house. And that ignited in her a hatred of God. In the characters of Taylor & Alex, I agree with your accurate explanations that they are unable to speak & frozen by cognitive dissonance & being unable to speak of something as cosmicaly horrific as being abducted & what follows. To put it another way, not only are they unable to speak, but they speak in a completely different language. In the Bible the snake is definitely associated with temptation. The disappearance of Holly Jones Holly left home at 6:00 PM while it was still daylight, but as the darkness grew, her parents, Maria Jones and George Stonehouse, became concerned. I read a few explanations after watching the movie and this was the best and most cohesive one! The article mentions that his co-worker Mr Dover didnt make any comments. And yes, it also reinforces the theme of imprisonment, because a maze can be, after all, a prison and almost every character in Prisoners is working through some kind of maze (physical, emotional, psychological, or spiritual).